It’s Time to Join the Church, Now!

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If you’re a Protestant Christian, it’s time to climb aboard the barque of Peter!

I’m no prophet, but as the world presses in, I predict protestant communities will continue to water down, and indeed change, as they have in the past, “the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 1:3).

Take a look at the following issues:

Contraception

Did you know that Christian leaders were unanimous in speaking out against artificial birth control for almost 2,000 years!

In fact, all Christians were united in their position that contraception was a violation of God’s will until the 20th century. As late as 1920, the Lambeth Conference of the Anglican Church stated its uncompromising rejection of all forms of artificial birth control.

But at the Lambeth Conference of 1930 it changed its mind.

Now virtually every protestant denomination down the board finds no problem with it. If I was a protestant Christian, this would make me nervous. “How is it,” I hope I would ask myself, “that the Church, of whom Christ promised the gates of hell would not prevail, (Mt 16:18) got it wrong for almost 2000 years. How do I know they were all wrong, and I’m right?”

Abortion

Several months ago I did a study which showed the position each (mainstream) protestant denomination took on abortion. The ONLY mainstream protestant denomination I could find who continues to condemn abortion under every circumstance is the Assemblies of God. See my article and follow my links if you don’t believe me.

“Homosexual Marriage.”

Many non-Catholic Christian leaders are now wavering on the issue of “same-sex marriage.” Some pastors such as Rob Bell (who all but came out and said, in his book Love Wins, that Hell is empty) have come out and said sodomy and homosexual marriage is good and beautiful.

Bell, in the following clip makes it sound like the only options are to hate homosexuals or to say that sodomy is morally acceptable choice. COU-false dillema-GH!

The church of England

And then there’s the church of England. Oh dear. A recent headline in the Telegraph read, “Church of England creating ‘pagan church’ to recruit members.”

The Irresistibleness of Catholicism

G. K. Chesterton, himself a convert from Protestantism to Catholicism had these words to say about the Catholic Church:

“It is impossible to be just to the Catholic Church.

The moment men cease to pull against it they feel a tug towards it. The moment they cease to shout it down they begin to listen to it with pleasure. The moment they try to be fair to it they begin to be fond of it.

But when that affection has passed a certain point it begins to take on the tragic and menacing grandeur of a great love affair.

The man has exactly the same sense of having committed or compromised himself; of having been in a sense entrapped, even if he is glad to be entrapped. But for a considerable time he is not so much glad as simply terrified.

It may be that this real psychological experience has been misunderstood by stupider people and is responsible for all that remains of the legend that Rome is a mere trap.

But that legend misses the whole point of the psychology. It is not the Pope who has set the trap or the priests who have baited it. The whole point of the position is that the trap is simply the truth.

The whole point is that the man himself has made his way towards the trap of truth, and not the trap that has run after the man.”
– G.K Chesterton, The Catholic Church and Conversion (1926).

59 thoughts on “It’s Time to Join the Church, Now!

  1. Some of my protestant brothers and sisters, in my own experience, are so incredibly anti-Catholic – it hurts. It comes mostly from what they’ve been taught and what their teachers were taught and so on….sort of sounds like Sacred Tradition, wouldn’t you say 😉 .. I think if they truly approached Catholicism with an open mind, they might be shocked to see the beauty, the fullness and truth in the Catholic Church. I don’t doubt that many, if not most protestants share, deep down, much with us in terms of moral understanding. My prayers always for unity.

    1. Hi Chris, it’s not at all nice to receive nasty comments or attacks by anyone on anything in general. While I don’t support the poor or lack of tact in a delivery of a certain view or standing, I do believe what the bible says is truth.

      I do believe that God mentions the Roman Catholic Papacy in the bible and in prophecy.

      If we reject something without looking into it, trust me, we can certainly be lost and we have no one else to blame in the end but ourselves.

      We must understand that there is a war between Christ & Satan over you & I. This war of course has already been won by Jesus’ death on the cross. Defeated Satan now is seeking them that he may deceive passionately until the time Jesus comes the 2nd time. Proverbs 14:12 “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.”

      James 1:21 “But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.”

      If you read Revelation 14:6-12, you will learn of the three angels messages to our time. These messages are calling all of Gods people to come out of Babylon (false worship or non biblical teachings or traditions of man) & to worship the Creator (on His sabbath day) that we not receive the mark of the beast (Sunday worship).

      If we read Daniel chapter 7, the Roman Catholic Church is prophesied hundreds and hundreds of years before it arose. It can be none other. Please look at these points chapter 7 makes and think about it.

      Daniel 7:8 – Little horn (little kingdom in Western Europe)
      7:8 – A man at it’s head who speaks for it.
      7:8 – Would destroy 3 kingdoms (Heruli, Ostrogoths & Vandals)
      7:24 – Diverse than other 10 kingdoms.
      7:21, 25 – Make war with and persecute saints.
      7:7, 8 – Will rise from Roman empire.
      7:25 – Gods people given to it for time, times and the dividing of time (1260 days/years)
      7:25 – Blaspheme God.
      7:25 – “think to change times and laws” (7th day sabbath to Sunday).
      Papacy fulfils these points.

      The message of my response is not to hurt anyone, as the truth is not meant to offend. It is given in sincere love towards you and all being deceived.

      Please consider one last and final suggestion, please read ‘the great controversy’ by Ellen G. White and if you like this book, please read her other book called ‘the desire of ages’

      Thanks for reading my friend,

      Curtis

      1. Hey Curtis,

        Thanks for engaging in the conversation here. After reading your response I have a few questions:

        (1) On what basis should we assume your interpretation of the Book of Revelation? It is, after all, your interpretation and over the years many people have offered many conflicting interpretations of that book. I recall some particularly fun ones affirming that Ronald Reagan is The Beast, that China is the Dragon, the 666 refers to the World Wide Web etc.

        (2) In history, who was the first person to put forward you interpretation?

        (3) Given your references to the Sabbath and Ellen G. White, I assume that you’re a Seventh Day Adventist. Are you aware that, from the earliest times, Christians have worshipped God on the Lord’s Day rather than Saturday?

        I look forward to your response. Thanks again,

        David.

      2. Hi David,

        Pleasure to answer your valid questions.

        1) I believe the bible interprets itself. I know for a fact that my own understanding or interpretation will lead me astray my friend. This is why I ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:20 “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” Proverbs 3:5 “Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding” If you compare Daniel 7 and the characteristics of who the antichrist is, you wouldn’t be confused into thinking anyone else but the Roman Papacy.
        7:8 – Little horn power arising out of the 10 horns of the great beast (A little kingdom in Western Europe. The Roman empire collapsed dividing into 10 separate kingdoms which were the 10 generals of Rome. Constantine attempted to move his seat to Constantinople which is now Istanbul and vacated the title Pontifex Maximus. Julius Caesar and alike believed they were gods and some were declared at death by the senate gods. This created a pagan religio-political view and power. In 312-113 AD, Emperor Constantine officially made Christianity tolerated and paganism and Christianity shook hands. In 321 AD Constantine officially swapped the sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st. In 375 AD, Emperor Gratian declined to accept the august title because of its ‘pagan origin’ leaving the title to be picked up by the Bishop of Rome, Pope Damascus I and appropriated the title Pontifex Maximus to himself. The religio-political title of the caesars passed to the Papacy)
        7:8 – A man at it’s head who speaks for it. (The pope)
        7:8 – Would destroy 3 kingdoms (Heruli, Ostrogoths & Vandals) Roman Papacy
        7:24 – Diverse than other 10 kingdoms. (Is a religio-political power unlike any other nation even til today).
        7:21, 25 – Make war with and persecute saints. (The papacy persecuted millions of Christians who didn’t share the same views as the church)
        7:7, 8 – Will rise from Roman empire (As above re Pontifex Maximus)
        7:25 – Gods people given to it for time, times and the dividing of time (1260 days/years the reign of the Papacy was from A.D. 538, when the last of the three opposing Arian kingdoms was uprooted. Its rule continued until 1798 when Napoleon’s general, Berthier, took the pope captive with hopes of destroying both Pope Pius VI and the political, secular power of the papacy.)
        7:25 – Blaspheme God. (numerous quotes from Catholic sources stating the pope is God on earth; priests able to forgive sins when only God can forgive sin etc)
        7:25 – “think to change times and laws” (7th day sabbath to Sunday).
        Papacy fulfils these points.

        2) Martin Luther: “This teaching [of the supremacy of the pope] shows forcefully that the Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ, because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power, which, nevertheless, is nothing, and is neither ordained nor commanded by God. This is, properly speaking, to exalt himself above all that is called God. . . . The Pope, however, prohibits this faith, saying that to be saved a person must obey him” (Smalcald Articles, II, IV, 10-12).

        Zwingli, who was a Catholic priest before his conversion to Christ, often referred to the Pope as the antichrist. He wrote: “I know that in it works the might and power of the Devil, that is, of the Antichrist” (Principle Works of Zwingli, Vol. 7, p. 135).

        John Wycliffe; John Calvin, John Knox etc all are quoted believing the scriptures identify the Roman papacy to be the antichrist power.

        3) I’m a seventh-day Adventist Christian. Jesus observed the sabbath as did all disciples and apostles and Christians after. We already discussed Constantine. One further reason Constantine changed the sabbath in 321AD after his pseudo-conversion to Christianity in 312-313AD was to separate any distinction or resemblance from the Jews as they were being heavily persecuted against also.

        If you would like to hear a better point on the sabbath, just ask. 🙂

        God bless,

        Curtis

  2. Just sent this to my wife and Dad….. Good stuff Matt. We found an Extraodinary Mass, offered (of course) at an odd hour in our Diocese, and I do believe promulgation of this Mass can do wonders for the soul who is “teedering” on becoming Catholic!

  3. All very good points in your post. “He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will suffer harm.” Proverbs 13:20

  4. As a felllow Catechist, I am continually amazed [but not without understanding] that even commonsense; simple logic seems to elude non-Catholic Christians.

    And yes I do understand that from there prsepective they MUST deny what the CC inorder to support there own positions.

    God is One

    One God can [theologically and Morally] hold only one set of Faith beliefs. The idea that He can do otherwise is illogical.

    And both Yahweh and Christ have consistantly chosen only one Faith in One Church.

    Acts 20: 28-30

    Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, [singular] which he hath purchased with his own blood. I know that, after my departure, ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. And of your own selves shall arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. *Douay Rheims Bible* **

  5. Reblogged this on working4christ2 and commented:
    My dear friends is Christ,

    How can anyone who calles themselves a “Christian” [like Christ & a FOLLOWER of Chirst] hold such a clearly anti -biblical] message. Simply shameful!

    Avoid those who mock Christ my friends!

  6. there is nothing I would like more than to join the Catholic church – I just live way out in Montana and so I have put it off. Thank you for the message – I am sure it was meant for me –

    1. Please try to find your nearest Catholic church and explain your situation to the priest there, that you want to become Catholic but you live so far away. Im sure he’ll guide you and accomodate you as best as he can. The very fact that u desire to be Catholic will encourage him. I love it when I hear people say they want to join our beautiful church. Its like finding a long lost sibling, so you’ve made my day. But please do try. It will be the best decision of your life. I will pray for you and pray you find a church hopefully one nearer by than you think and find a good priest that will help you.

  7. A friendly word of caution, which I’ve articulated through an attempt to understand the footnoted references of JP II, Benedict XVI, and Cardinal Walter Kasper, the President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. The quotes tell the story much better than my cobbled synthesis:

    Ecumenism, which pervades all that the Catholic Church does1 is harmed, not aided, by open or hidden proselytism such as this.2 I think your intention is good, but the fact remains that all Christians still live in a transitional period where brotherhood and a shared common life between Christians must take the place of argument.3,4,5 Urgent insisting on conversion is out of place in the context of friendship, especially disrespectful insistence built on attacks of Protestant Christian denominations.6 No side should be trying to “win” the ecumenism dialogue through analytical dismantling of the other sides’ weaknesses.7,8 Trying to win here is like trying to beat your friend in joint venture of friendship, it betrays a misunderstanding of what ecumenism is. Instead of bolstering our own apologetic stances, Christians from all denominations need to be living in real community with each other through the power of a renewed outpouring of the Holy Spirit.9

    1. “It is absolutely clear that ecumenism, the movement promoting Christian unity, is not just some sort of ‘appendix’ which is added to the Church’s traditional activity. Rather, ecumenism is an organic part of her life and work, and consequently must pervade all that she is and does.”
    – That They May Be One, Encyclical, John Paul ll, 1985, par. 20

    2. “This transitional period must have its own “ethos” involving renunciation of all kinds of open or hidden proselytism.”
    – That They May All Be One, Cardinal Walter Kasper, 2004, p. 72

    3. “There is an increased awareness that we all belong to Christ. The “universal brotherhood” of Christians has become a firm ecumenical conviction. Communities which were once rivals are now in many cases helping one another: places of worship are sometimes lent out; scholarships are offered for the training of ministers in the Communities most lacking in resources; approaches are made to civil authorities on behalf of other Christians who are unjustly persecuted; and the slander to which certain groups are subjected is shown to be unfounded. We must take every care to meet the legitimate desires and expectations of our Christian brethren, coming to know their way of thinking and their sensibilities. The talents of each must be developed for the utility and the advantage of all.”
    – That They May Be One, Encyclical, John Paul ll, 1985, par. 42, 87

    4. “And now let us ask ourselves, what does it mean to reestablish the unity of all Christians? We all know there are numerous models of unity and you know that the Catholic Church also has as her goal the full visible unity of the Disciples of Christ, as defined by the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council in its various documents. This unity does not mean what could be called ecumenism of return; that is, to deny and to reject one’s own faith history. Absolutely not! It does mean not uniformity in all expression of theology and spirituality, in liturgical forms and in discipline. To this end, dialogue has its own contribution to make. More than an exchange of thoughts, an academic exercise, is an exchange of gifts, in which the Churches and the ecclesial Communities can make available their own riches. Now let us all go along this path in the awareness that walking together is a form of unity. Let us thank God for this and pray that he will continue to guide us all.”
    – Benedict XVI, Address to Protestant German Church Leaders, Cologne, Germany, August 2005

    5. “Thus we live still in a transitional period, which will probably last for some time. We have to fill this transitional period of a real if not complete church communion, with real life. To the “ecumenism of love” and the “ecumenism of truth,” which both naturally remain very important, must be added an “ecumenism of life.” The churches did not only diverge through discussion, they diverged through the way they lived, through alienation and estrangement. Therefore, they need to come closer to each other again in their lives; they must get accustomed to each other, pray together, work together, live together, bearing the sting of the incompleteness of the communion and of the still impossible Eucharistic communion around the Lord’s table.”
    – Present Situation and Future of the Ecumenical Movement, Cardinal Walter Kasper,
    President, Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, November, 2001

    6. “Another Component of this “unity through diversity,” then, is being unwilling to impose on the other party anything that (still) threatens him in the core of his Christian identity. Catholics should not try to force Protestants to recognize the papacy and their understanding of apostolic succession. The insertion of the Word in the sphere of the sacrament obviously appear to Protestants to be a manipulation of the Word and a violation of its freedom, and we should respect that…Conversely, Protestants should stop pressuring the Catholic Church to allow intercommunion based on their understanding of the Lord’s Supper, since for us the twofold mystery of the Body of Christ as sacramental gift – is one and the same sacrament, and to tear the corporeality would mean trampling on both the Church and the sacrament. Such respect for the things that constitute for both sides the “must” of the division does not delay unity; it is a fundamental prerequisite for it.
    Pausing respectfully in this way in the presence of the “must” that we did not invent will produce much more charity and much more proximity than that urgent insistence which creates resistance and ultimately aversion. And such respect, consequently, not only will not hinder the search for greater understanding, precisely in these core areas, but will rather yield a peaceful maturation and a joyful gratitude for so much closeness despite the mysterious “must.” I can imagine many people will not like the concept when it is put this way. The sphere of our tasks includes doing and suffering, activity and patience. Anyone who crosses out one of the two ruins the whole thing. I hope, dear Mr. Seckler, that these few lines will make my idea of ecumenism a little clearer.”
    – Church, Ecumenism, Politics: New Endeavors in Ecclesioloqv, Cardinal Walter Kasper, 1987, “Letter to the Theologische Quartarlschrift, A Periodical Published in Tubingen,” Joseph Ratzinger, p 132

    7. In order to succeed, trust must be built and friendships established. Where this is not possible, everybody is sufficiently intelligent to find objections to opposing arguments. Such dialogues will never come to a conclusion. But when there is friendship and common spiritual ground, the situation changes. This may not, and normally does not, lead to an immediate consensus, but it helps us understand better what the other really means and why a different position has been reached. It helps us to accept the other in his or her otherness.”
    – That They May All Be One, Cardinal Walter Kasper, 2004, p. 160

    8. “Ecumenical dialogue does not aim to convert others to our side. Naturally, individual conversions cannot and must not be excluded; one has to treat them with great respect for the underlying decisions of conscience.”
    – That They May All Be One, Cardinal Walter Kasper, 2004, p. 170

    9. “In order to achieve a consensus, neither public debate nor academic dialogue alone, however essential, can be considered sufficient. We have to return to the very first impetus of the ecumenical movement. In the beginning the ecumenical movement was driven by a spiritual movement, by a spiritual ecumenism. Only a renewed Pentecost, a renewed outpouring of the Holy Spirit, can bestow on us the unity of the Disciples of Christ for which Jesus prayed. Spiritual ecumenism is thus the heart of ecumenism. Those groups which live an ecumenical spirituality of communion anticipate a church lifestyle which should become the paradigm for the whole Church. Pope John Paul described such a spirituality of communion as the recognition of the other in his or her otherness.”
    – That They May All Be One, Cardinal Walter Kasper, 2004, p. 156

    1. I would also add that the heart of most Protestants that I know is to be as close as possible to Jesus Christ and the Gospel that gives life. I know you might respond that Catholicism IS as close as possible, but that is not the way they see it. Just remember the heart that disagrees with you is oftentimes driven by an honest passion for Christ and to see Him and His truth glorified.

      I myself attend a Protestant church, but I feel as though I am in an open ocean between continents. I began learning about Catholicism a few months ago and have not been able to turn away since. So many of the teachings resonate as true (in my mind, heart, and spirit) and deeply honoring of our Lord, and yet I waver back and forth between being exhilarated and terrified. I’m not sure that many of the Catholics on here understand how difficult it is for someone in a Protestant church to consider the possibility that the Catholic Church is the true Church, and where such a revelation might lead. It is painful. Christ drew me to Himself in large part through a Protestant church, pulled my wife and I out of utter darkness into His light, and surrounded us with Protestant brothers and sisters who walked alongside of us through some of the most painful and difficult times in our lives. To even consider that I might leave that fellowship even if I eventually become convinced that the Catholic Church teaches the fullness of God’s truth is like a knife to the heart.

      Anyway, I just wanted to share that perspective with everyone on here.

      With love in Christ.
      Chris.

      1. I thought of this question leaving one Church for another awhile ago and a thought came to me I know it resonates with life experience so I like to share it simply. An option though everyone thinks is the best, may not be the best for me. I have to be convinced that this is the best for me, i.e., God is calling me to make this choice. Becoming Catholic may be the best choice, but is God calling me to do so or am I simply doing what is best for me?
        I have to be faithful to the grace God has given me until he leads me forth. God may call someone to be a Catholic and he may want others to stay in a denomination and to be faithful to God’s call there, for some purpose of his own. So in the end, it is to do God’s will, to serve Him wherever he calls us. To have the wisdom to discern and the courage to do so. Both of which are made easy by the life that lives only for God.

      2. Anna, thank you for sharing that. After I posted my comment yesterday I was driving in the car contemplating the confusion I was feeling, and I started to pray about it. During prayer it came to me that God may not want me to leave my church. It may even come to a point where I become a Catholic and worship and walk with Christ in that context, but still participate in the fellowship and life of my current church. I’m not sure what will happen, but as you said I am just going to follow where the Holy Spirit leads me.

        One thing I am sure of is that God is now using me to build up others in the way that He placed others around me when I was in need before. There are a number men that He is bringing in my life to walk with, and I am convinced that He wants me to continue in those relationships. I felt peaceful after prayer yesterday because I know that God is faithful and has always demonstrated Himself to be so in my life, so I can rest in the knowledge that if I am seeking His way that He will guide my steps.

  8. I am a convert. I was accepted into the Church 11 years ago. I know that I was called to be catholic. I do accept all that the Church teaches. I am now a Third Order Franciscan, Secular. I promised to follow the gospel at a Mass at my parish church in the presence of my fellow parishoners and fraternity members. I love being Catholic.

  9. I am a Protestant and I have issues with your argument. Your argument to join the Roman Catholic Church is based on the points that there is no consensus amongst Protestants on issues such as abortion, contraception and same sex marriage. These are not the core issues that brought about the reformation to begin with by those who went against the status quo to live out true Biblical historical Christianity. Also, as you quoted Jude 1:3, the faith referred to that was delivered to all the saints is the saving faith in Christ, not faith on these issues that you have brought up, sir. Let’s make that clear. Also, those who agree with the issues you address does not make one a Christian, or even Roman Catholic. If Christians, Roman Catholic or not, actually shine the light of Christ instead of finding security in traditions and rituals, the world would change. And based on your argument, my faith in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and his commands to love God and love others is not shaken in any way, nor am I invoked to join a different church. I am a member of the body of Christ, the true Catholic church. Jesus’ kingdom is not of this world and His body, the church, isn’t associated with one nation, including Rome.

    1. Thank you Jason,

      I appreciate your thought out comments, and the way in which you were able to disagree without being disagreeable. A rare trait in today’s online world.

      You say that the issues that I have addressed were not the core issues which lead to the Protestant reformation. You’re quite right! Actually, the protestant reformers firmly rejected contraception. Regarding the other two issues. Well, we have the Bible for that, don’t we? Surely the principle of Sola Scriptura would be sufficient to convince Christians of what is taught plainly in Sacred Scripture right?—evidently not.

      You say that the condemnation of these these issues doesn’t make one a Christian. Yes, I agree with you. I would hope that even thoughtful atheists can see that, abortion for example, is abhorrent. In fact there are such people: http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/28/confessions-of-a-pro-life-atheist-why-i-fight-abortion/

      Though these issues do not make one a Christian, I would argue that they follow necessarily from accepting Christ and are commanded in natural law and/or Sacred Scripture—are you really going to argue that one can condone, and even commit, murder (which IS what abortion IS) and still claim to be a Christian?

      You then say that Jude 1:3 refers to the saving faith in Christ and insinuate that that is all it refers to. This is a clear demonstration of eisegesis, Jason. It is this sort of eisegesis which had lead so many Protestants astray! You are trying to say something which the Scripture does not! You make it sound as though there is a certain list of things (perhaps 1) we should believe and do in order to be faithful Christians, and yet the Bible contains no such list.

      You then say we should shine the light of Christ, that the Church isn’t a nation. Obviously we both agree that that is true.

      PS you use the word “Roman Catholic.” This article of mine should clear up the confusion you have of that issue. http://mattfradd.com/2012/07/13/why-roman-catholic/

      Thanks again Jason, I’m really looking forward to your reply.

    2. To be fair, the Roman Catholic Church doesnt revolve around Rome as a geographical location and knows it better than anyone. Its only now known as “Roman” Catholic because its started out as a derogatory term during the reformation to distinguish between say Anglo Catholics (Anglicans, Church of England) and Catholics who remained loyal to the old ways then the Church more or less reclaimed it as a term to be proud of. A bit like the word papist. That was a derogatory term for someone who was loyal to the pope. Nowadays Im proud to call myself a Roman Catholic papist and thank God that my country no longer puts people to death for being so. Also I think its only natural for one to feel secure in traditions and rituals that Christ instituted.

      1. BTW, not all Catholics are Roman Catholics. The Eastern-Rite Catholics are in full communion with the Pope, but they’re not “Roman” Catholics.

  10. You people are pathetic! You spew your disunity and judgements but do not look at your own sin. Your church is divided!

    Some statistics:
    60% of lay Catholics practice birth control
    10% of priests have homosexual tendencies
    Only 14% of catholics are pro-life
    Only 22% of Catholics attend mass weekly

    Catholics speak out of both sides of their mouths. The clergy and leadership say one thing then the lay say believe and practice something else. They can write all the encyclicals they want it will not change how people live and act. This is why the reformation happened because of hypocrisy.

    1. Mario, I’m sorry you felt you had to resort to name calling. Next time try to be more civil, okay? I truly believe we can have this discussion without resorting to ad hominem attacks.

      Thank you the statistics you cited. I’m not sure of your source but it wouldn’t surprise me if they are accurate—or a little optimistic.

      The difference, of course, is that we have an authority, which Christ established, outside of the Bible which continues to teach the truth of the Christian faith, even when individual Catholics teach and live the contrary.

      And so, when bad Catholics are bad Catholics, we are able to call them, “bad Catholics.” If, on the other hand, a member of the Prestbyterian Church (USA) rejects his church’s position that, ”[abortion] can be a morally acceptable decision” (this is what they teach) are we to consider him a “bad Presbyterian?” It would seem so.

      You write, “they can write all the encyclicals they want it will not change how people live and act.” I’m not sure that’s necessarily the case. I know individuals who have converted to Catholicism due to reading Humanae Vitae. I myself have grown considerably in my understanding of faith and reason from reading Fides Et Ratio. At any rate, this amounts to, not so much an argument against Catholicism, as it does a protestation against free will. Yes, it is true, no outside authority—including God himself—can make us change how we live.

      What is needed is humility, repentance and obedience.

      To be honest, Mario, I don’t have any of those down perfectly yet, mate. Please pray for me and I promise to pray for you today.

  11. No culture, church, state, or tribe can survive a contraceptive worldview and its sexually destructive handmaids. The future of the West belongs to orthodox Catholicism.

  12. I am an evangelical (married to a Baptist pastor) and I gotta say, I love me some Catholics these days. As one who deeply loves those in my life who are gay and who stands on the biblical truth that homosexual conduct is incompatible with the regenerate Christian life, I have found solidarity with Catholics in the blogosphere and face-to-face. I am so grateful for the Catholic church’s clear (and usually compassionate) teaching on the issue of homosexuality and their call for civic engagement on the issue.

    1. Thanks for your comment Askme.

      I have very dear non-denominational (funny how non-denom has become a denomination of sorts) friends who also believe the Bible to teach these truths.

      While we were hanging out with them a couple of months back, a lady from their chrch came up to us, not knowing that my wife and I were Catholic, and told us of how a pastor she knew was teaching that a baby isn’t human until it took it’s first breath . . . that this was the breath of life, like that in Genesis, which made it a human.

      God have mercy.

      Thanks for your faithfulness to Scripture, Askme.

      1. That must have been a horrendous conversation to have. I hope the lady didnt agree with that pastor and I hope the pastor wakes up somehow and smeels the severely strong coffee.

    2. Oh Askme, you are our sister! Isnt it great when Catholics and Protestants can get together and go “this is what we blieve!” We are brothers and sisters and God is our Daddy!

  13. I totally stand by your argument Matt, in fact a few days ago I heard an interview by Roger Lynn on the BBC radio, who way back in 1971 conducted the first gay marriage in Minneapolis, Minnesota and I was taken aback. I had no idea any Christian church actually supported Homosexual marriages. Do read
    http://www.twincities.com/ci_21330737/gay-marriage-landmark-retired-pastor-who-conducted-ceremony

    I stand by the catholic faith and do believe firmly in its teachings and I know eventually all Christians will have to come under the catholic faith if they need to survive. But these days the swarming multitude of other Christian sects are misleading the youth and the lack of argument to support their faith leads more persons to other faiths or the “no faith” as we see it these days.

  14. Matt if you read this, or anyone else who reads this, please pray for my husband. I am Catholic and he is Church of England but he loves my faith and loves our pope and our pope emeritus, Lourdes is his favourite place in the whole world and has even hinted that he believes the Eucharist to be the real presence of Jesus, truely his body and blood. Also he is becoming more and more disilusioned with the Church of England (unsurprisingly). However he is not making any steps, not evidently to me anyway, to joining our church which he truely seems to believe in. I didnt marry him hoping to convert him, I just saw him as a good Christian man, but now that he seems that he is leaning in the direction that will bring him home to Rome I pray that he finds the courage to take that vital step and I ask you, my brothers and sisters, that you will pray for him too. I love you all.

    1. You’re more blessed than I am. At least your husband has faith. I married an atheist. That’s what he calls himself. But he goes to church with us (me and our 3 sons) every Sunday. He respects my faith. We got our kids baptized, and other sacraments. I’ve been praying for him for 20 years we’ve been married. But anyway, I will pray for your husband as well.

      1. oh and i shall pray for you and your husband. Its good he’s respectful of your faith and its great he attends church. Its a step in the right direction.

  15. I’ve heard Protestants say that Catholics don’t know anything about the Bible. Because if we did know about the Bible we wouldn’t be Catholics. Ironically, the more I read the Bible the more I find myself drawn to the teachings of the Catholic Church because nothing in the Bible is contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church and nothing in the teaching of the Catholic Church is contrary to the Bible. I find the Catholic teachings so rich and rooted in the Bible.

    P.S. Pardon my English grammar. English is just my 2nd language 🙂

    1. I think your English is wonderful 🙂 and I praise you for your encouraging words. Its one of my gripes when people say Catholics don’t read or understand the Bible enough, especially seeing as how it was Catholics who compiled the New Testiment and we wouldn’t have the Bible as we know it today if it weren’t for Catholics.

      1. Rachel and Corazon,
        You can add my prayers to your own for your dear husbands and your families. I, too, live in a house divided. I thought the above ecumenical letters were interesting. It seems that we are each living those words daily. “The sphere of our tasks includes doing and suffering, activity and patience. Anyone who crosses out one of the two ruins the whole thing. ”
        I think it’s hard to both respect my husband’s free will and conscience and also hope that he will come to see the light of truth in the Church. I feel that we are living out what the ecumenical councils are working on.

        My pastor challenged us all at our parish to read the Bible in a year. It was a great idea to have a time goal (including list of which readings for which days) and a support system (classes now and then to help explain the tricky parts). Then the next year the challenge was for reading the Chatechism. I, too, felt that instead of leading me away from the Church reading the Bible from cover-to-cover helped me better understand what my faith had been built upon. Even though the stories were all familiar from Mass readings, it helped me see how they all fit together. I wish my DH and other Protestants would do what they tell Catholics to do… look into what their church teaches… what is it based on? I think many simply do whatever their parents taught (also true for many Catholics).

        What did Jesus really leave us? I cannot see in the Bible that He just handed the apostles a book. He lived with them and taught them. I imagine it kinda being like learning to bake bread. When I was 12 and tried to follow the printed instructions in a cookbook I ended up with a gooey mess. If I had only had someone (or Youtube) to show me I would have understood better!

        May God be with you…

  16. Join the church now? I tried to (re-join), but after numerous attempts to get my baptismal certificate sent from up north to my new parish down south with no results, I just resolved to simply attend mass as an observer. Perhaps I can join sometime down the road… 🙂 (Great post, btw)

    1. I don’t understand your dilemma. Are you saying you cannot receive the sacraments if you do not present proof of baptism from your prior church? That, to me, is ridiculous. If I move to another state and find a new parish, I don’t have to prove I was baptized, received my first communion, or confirmation before I can go to confession or receive Holy Communion. Somebody must be feeding you false information. I say go to confession and get back in (the Communion) line, buddy! 🙂

  17. Chris, I hope you come to the Catholic Church; it is wonderful and joyous to receive Him in the eucharist. But I think you are doing the right thing. Pray! And let the Holy Spirit lead you. Open your heart. I will pray for you also.

    1. Julie,
      I think this was addressed to me and I would really appreciate your prayers. I certainly need them. The doctrine of the real presence in the Eucharist was one of the first Catholic beliefs that started turning my mind toward the possibility that maybe I was missing the fullness of the truth. I have been reading hours a day since then (for almost five months now). Several times I put the books away saying “no, I know this is convincing and that is, but this other thing I just can’t believe”, and then I would find myself reading again and all of the sudden that doctrine that didn’t make sense before would suddenly make sense.

      Anyway, the Eucharist and the need I see around me for true authority in the Church really launched me down this path. I am finding myself now on the verge of being ready to join the Catholic Church, but now I need to turn to my brothers in the faith for guidance. I have been studying on my own for a while, so I will be turning to my protestant and Catholic brothers to discuss these issues with. I will be praying, weighing their thoughts, continuing to study, and just seeking to be led by the Holy Spirit.

      I am *really* grateful for your prayers.

  18. Mr. Bell is a false teacher and a false prophet. He is teaching “another gospel” (Galations 1:6-8) and has been seduced by the spirit of the age. For someone who supposedly founded a Bible Church he has seemingly dismissed (or twisted) much of what the Bible actually says especially the New Testament. (Romans 1:21-32, and many others). Maybe it’s been a while since he’s read it. Maybe he’s preoccupied with notoriety and money. He wouldn’t be the first one. Unfortunately he’s misleading many in the process. (!)

  19. I think the “watering down” does not apply to the conservative evangelical protestant churches in the USA (cannot comment on Australia, or anywhere else).

    Furthermore, I wouldn’t apply the “watering down” to the Pentecostal groups currently eating the Catholic Church’s lunch in Brazil.

  20. Count me and mine as converts. Myself, my wife, and two children are joining the Catholic Church – I’ve been a lifelong Protestant (Baptist). The Catholic Church is our new home…. AND I’M READY TO DO BATTLE, under the great banner of Christ’s Church… And I have a suspicious feeling me and my family are just the beginning of a Catholic revival in the United States. As our society drifts further away from the true teachings of Christ, the Catholic Church will see growth in conservative Christians. We need the love, resources, and spiritual nourishment that only the Church can offer.

  21. It’s time now to READ OUR BIBLES! But simply saying this might mean nothing to the majority who read this. I’m a straight arrow protestant, and I believe we should be calling people to COME OUT and LEAVE CATHOLICISM. I’m not spreading hate at all! I love Catholics, otherwise I wouldn’t waste my time in writing. Why did so many protestants die to bring us the freedoms we now have to worship the truth in freedom? Catholicism doesn’t have the truth! Daniel 7 explains Catholicism is the antichrist! Just see my prior comments.

    Jesuits are working hard to steer protestants back into Catholicism. Ignatius Loyola initiated the Jesuit order and their whole purpose is to infiltrate and return Protestantism to Catholicism. Catholicism is spoken about in scripture! she received the mortal wound! 1798 – pope Pius VI was captured by the French general Berthier. Scripture is being fulfilled in front of our eyes!

    Matthew 24 tells us how near Jesus is in returning to take His people home to heaven!

    Read ‘The Great Controversy’… read history books! History and the bible does not lie!

    Become undeceived! pray to become un-hypnotised! turn off the TV!

    Do you want to know the truth about the Jesuits? Watch ‘the extreme oath of the jesuits’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3puXfaE-vc

    1. Nice try, Curtis. The Jesuit Oath has been debunked. I was Protestant for 30 years (baptist, for about 20 years), but I never felt at peace, and I am so joyful and blessed in my Catholic faith, which makes me want to devour scripture daily. I know scripture well and am married to a Godly man with a PhD in Biblical Studies, so I’m sure he knows more than you or your pastor. Protestantism is born of schism and rebellion, and it continues to spawn more of the same. God bless you, and I hope you can turn your efforts to more fruitful work.

      1. You’re hypnotised my dear friend! Spiritual formation does this. “The Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction as recorded in the Journals of the 62nd Congress, 3rd Session, of the United States Congressional Record (House Calendar No. 397, Report No. 1523, 15 February, 1913, pp. 3215-3216), from which it was subsequently torn out.” This quote comes from numerous online sources all saying the same, all you need is to google this and you will find it. It is authentic and not debunked. The Jesuits would LOVE for this to be wrong and debunked, but they can’t disprove it’s original source (noted above).

        If your husband knows more about the bible than I or my pastor, than why isn’t he writing to me? This is my challenge to you, let me speak to your husband.

      2. Curtis, I would never nitpick your 7th Day Adventist beliefs or look for sensationalist sources against it, although I know they’re out there. I suggest you give others the same courtesy when they say that they are satisfied that a particluar story is a rumor or hoax. There are many things in the Library of Congress that are not true. Heck, my husband’s books are there, and by your logic, they would not be true. As a college professor who is fluent in all Biblical languages, my husband gets many requests to debate, but he knows better than to argue with fools. I have much to learn from him.

  22. Good on you, you can talk someone up all you like and even call me a fool haha but what counts is proof and evidence. For your own good and sake, please read ‘the great controversy’. And Jamie, we’ll see who’s the “fool” when Jesus returns 🙂 God bless you

  23. “Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of One or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.” The Catholic Mirror, (September 23, 1893).

    “The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who can find no warrant in its pages for the change of the day from the seventh to the first. Hence their appellation, “Seventh-day Adventists.” Their cardinal principle consists in setting apart Saturday for the exclusive worship of God, in conformity with the positive command of God himself, repeatedly reiterated in the sacred books of the Old and New Testaments, literally obeyed by the children of Israel for thousands of years to this day, and endorsed by the teaching and practice of the Son of God whilst on earth.” The Catholic Mirror (September 23, 1893).

    “The (Catholic) Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.” “The Question Box,” The Catholic Universe Bulletin (August 14, 1942): 4.

    “People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” “Pastor’s Page,” The Saint Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel Volume 50, Number 22 (May 21,1995).

    1. This is for Curtis Wade Fleming to read. A blog post by Michele Arnold, a former Seventh-day Adventist.

      Full Question

      Seventh-day Adventists insist that the Catholic Church has no scriptural warrant for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true?
      Answer

      Not by a long shot. This question has been addressed by This Rock before, but perhaps I, as a convert to the Catholic Church from Seventh-day Adventism, can offer a fresh perspective on the matter.

      While it is true that there is no New Testament record of a voice from the heavens instructing the infant Church, “Thou shalt change the day of thy worship and rest from Saturday to Sunday,” Adventists are mistaken in their belief that there is no New Testament evidence that supports such a change by the Catholic Church. Quite apart from the biblical proof of the apostolic Church’s authority to teach in God’s name (Mt 16:18–19, 18:17–18, Lk 10:16) and of God’s guarantee that this teaching would never fall into error (Mt 28:19–20, Lk 22:32, Jn 16:13), there is an impressive amount of evidence from Scripture that Christ and the apostles changed their day of corporate worship from Saturday to Sunday.

      The Old Testament Sabbath commandment contains two elements. The primary element, and the one that binds Christians as it does Jews, is the moral obligation to set aside adequate time for the purpose of divine worship. This could never be abrogated, as it is rooted in the natural law.

      The secondary element was ceremonial and therefore could be abolished—and was abolished by Jesus’ death on the cross (Col 2:12–17). This secondary, ceremonial element was that the particular day chosen to meet the moral obligation of the law was Saturday, so that the Jews would remember and memorialize the creation of the earth.

      Jesus, during his earthly ministry, began to prepare the way for changing Sabbath worship from “the letter of the law” to “the spirit of the law.” Remember that one of his greatest arguments with the Pharisees concerned Sabbath worship. He constantly rebuked them for placing the rigid observance of mere details above the spirit of setting aside a day to rest from unnecessary servile work and to worship God. By this Jesus made it clear that the Sabbath may be changed to meet the needs of man. By effecting these changes as “the Son of Man,” Jesus used his human authority to show us that he is “Lord even of the Sabbath” (Mk 2:28).

      As Frs. Rumble and Carty point out in Radio Replies, special honor is shown to Sunday throughout the New Testament. Christ rose from the dead on Sunday, and he first appeared to his disciples that Easter Sunday evening (Jn 20:19). One week later—and from the context we can see that this meant the following Sunday—Jesus appeared to them again when Thomas was present (John 20:26). Luke records that Sunday was observed by the Christian community from the very beginning: “On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread” (Acts 20:7). To “break bread” refers to the celebration of the Eucharist (Mt 26:26, Mk 14:22). Paul ordered the Corinthians to gather their offertory collections on Sunday (1 Cor 16:2); that set the scriptural precedent we follow today of gathering our offerings on Sunday during Mass. John records in Rev. 1:10 that he was granted a vision of heaven’s own worship while he was at worship (“caught up in spirit”) on “the Lord’s day.” John’s disciple Ignatius of Antioch tells us in his Letter to the Magnesians that “the Lord’s day” is not the ancient Sabbath; therefore, “the Lord’s day” must refer to Sunday. (See This Rock, September 1994, “The Fathers Know Best.”)

      Put this question to your Seventh-day Adventist friends: Jesus, being God, knew whether or not his Church would apostatize by changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. If Adventists are correct that Christians are still obliged to keep Saturday as their day of corporate worship, isn’t it strange that Jesus underscored exactly the opposite by appearing to his disciples after his Resurrection nearly exclusively on Sunday?

      Answered by: Michelle Arnold

      1. Hi Corazon Parker,

        Thanks for your time and thoughtful reply. It’s however unconvincing to me from Scriptures that Catholicism is Gods faithful church. I thought I have been very clear already, however, if you read and study Daniel chapter 7, one can clearly identify the Papacy as “the little horn power”. If you look at the first 2 comments of mine at the start of this thread, you will see what I mean (regardless of what you think).

        Speaking plainly, anyone can say they were something and now something else. But what matters is the weight of evidence & scriptural fact.

        In response to Michelle Arnold claiming: “apostolic Church’s authority to teach in God’s name (Mt 16:18–19, 18:17–18, Lk 10:16) and of God’s guarantee that this teaching would never fall into error (Mt 28:19–20, Lk 22:32, Jn 16:13), there is an impressive amount of evidence from Scripture that Christ and the apostles changed their day of corporate worship from Saturday to Sunday.”

        I have answered this numerous times before and will give the simplest answer I can:

        When Jesus says to Peter “Thou art Petros (this means a moveable stone) but upon this rock (this immoveable foundation (Christ)) I will build my church…” Consider 1 Peter 2:4-8 and specifically verse 7 “Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,” This is saying Jesus Christ is the chief cornerstone which the builders rejected. It’s also saying upon Jesus Christ the church is built.

        Saying that Matt 16:18 suggests the “church is built on Peter” is nothing but a major misunderstanding and needs to be understood. This passage clearly states Peter himself understood Jesus is the Rock. Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:4 understands Jesus is the Rock: “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” As did David in Psalm 18:31 “For who is God, but the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God,” & in Psalm 62:1, 2 “My soul finds rest in God alone; my salvation comes from him. He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken.”

        It’s impossible for any other foundation other than upon Jesus Christ: 1 Corinthians 3:11 “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”

        Michelle Arnold has taken scripture out of context. Luke 10:16 doesn’t support Catholicism. If you read the above verses about Jesus being the foundation of the church, you can have no question about it that Peter was not the foundation of the church. Nor does any scripture support Peter being a pope or “God on earth” as previous quoted popes claim:

        “Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth” Christopher Marcellus addressing Pope Julius II during the Fifth Lateran Council which began in 1512, as quoted in Alexander Hislop, The light of prophecy let in on the dark places of the papacy (London: William Whyte and Co., 1846): 91 and Letters between a Catholic and a Protestant on the doctrines of the Church of Rome originally published in Borrow’s Worcester Journal (Worcester Journal, 1827): 29.

        “The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself…” Cardinal Sarto, as quoted in Publications of the Catholic Truth Society Volume 29 (Catholic Truth Society: 1896): 11.

        “”It seems that Pope John Paul II now presides over the universal Church from his place upon Christ’s cross.” “Auckland Bishop Says Pope Presides From the Cross” (Zenit, September 20, 2004).

        “But to believe that our Lord God the Pope the establisher of said decretal, and of this, could not decree, as he did decree, should be accounted heretical.” The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, Cum. Inter, title 14, chapter 4, “Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium”, Column 140 (Paris, 1685). In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam (“Our Lord God the Pope”) can be found in column 153.

        The Papacy has been identified in Scripture: Daniel 7:25 “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”

        The claim that the sabbath was changed biblically is unsupported by Scriptural evidence and Catholicism itself claims this change:

        “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we (The Roman Catholic Church) never sanctify.” The Catholic Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, pg. 111

        “1) Question: Which is the Sabbath day? “Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. 2). “Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?”Answer. “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea, transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine Third Edition

        “Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday …. Now the Church … instituted, by God’s authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.” Martin J. Scott- Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927)

        “Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:”1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.”2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws. “It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.” Peter R. Kraemer- Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois.

        (These 4 quotes are a fraction of other quotes which say the same)

        The final remark by Michelle claiming Jesus reappearing to the disciples on a Sunday doesn’t make claim of a change in sabbath days. Many argue with scriptures and say a verse says it’s saying something, when in actual fact, it doesn’t. Besides, the weight of quotes used in this response disproves this claim and Catholicism openly claim the change of the sabbath was theirs.

        Read about Constantine, I’ve already explained history records he changed officially the day in 321 AD in honor of the sun god.

        God bless you.

        Much love.

        Curtis

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